025 Best of Coffee Cocktail Cannabis Transcript

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Michael: Welcome to famous and gravy, a podcast about quality of life. As we see it, one dead celebrity at a time. I'm Michael Osborne. And today Amit Kippur is away. He's in Europe, I think wandering around the English countryside, probably singing to himself.

Amit: It's gonna take a lot to drag me, wave from you. There's nothing that a hundred man or more could

Amit: ever do. I bless the rains down in Africa.

Michael: This is episode 25 of famous and gravy. And to mark the occasion, we're gonna do a special episode where we're pulling clips from the first 24 episodes. We're gonna be celebrating one of the fan favorite categories. Cocktail coffee or cannabis. This is where we ask which one would we most want to do with our dead celebrity?

Maybe a question of what drug sounds like the most fun to partake with this person. Or it may be that there's some residual curiosity and we feel like a certain drug might unlock some essential insight about them. What did you have here?

Amit: I sort of have this projection of early fashion icons that they have, like, this is beauty.

This is fun. Let's just live for tonight.

Michael: Probably cocktail, just because I'm looking for a crack in the armor here.

Amit: Would you have bought his drink as you did mine last night and later became a gas at the bill.

Michael: probably, I tend to go with coffee when I sense an intellect and a creative

Amit: force. He was still better than average as our user.

Yeah, that's fine. And let's have a coffee. We don't even have to talk about it, but we just can maybe see eye, eye a little bit. You said it before the type of asshole. You wanna have a beer with. That's how I see him. you know, he's a good ban. You just wanna do? I

Michael: just wanna get high with captain America.

Yeah. And like sit around that campfire and just be high. Yeah. You

Amit: just want to shoot hoops with Michael Jordan and talk. You just wanna do what you're supposed to do with him. I want the good hang cocktail. I want her to make me laugh. I want her to make fun of me. I just wanna be entertained.

Like six shots of Jameson right off the bat. because of this character that she plays. And I want to, I don't know of any other way to disarm it or get at the actual inner being. She has to get lampshade drunk in order to just kind of spill all about like where, what she really wants and where she really aches and all the, all the emotions that have to come out.

Michael: Larry MC Marrie. I kinda want an old fashioned with Larry McMurry, and this is gonna sound kinda weird, but I

Amit: almost want to like

Michael: him more. I love his books. I love the movies that he's been involved with. I think they're some of my favorite movies and I love the culture and quality that surrounds him. I love this sort of literary life aura.

But I don't know how much I like him. I don't know how much I actually want to hang out with him. He is certainly he is a little bit distant. However, there are some friends I have who are not as easily broken down. Into kind of a relatable level until you get 'em a little drunk mm-hmm until they have some whiskey.

And some of my great friends actually like the bonding happened when we were hammered, you know, and those walls come down a little bit. I want to get drunk with this guy and see those walls come down a little bit, cuz I almost feel like I see like the height of those walls and how to overcome. And

Amit: he may give it back.

He may give the, I love you, man. Back. He might, for enough of those, he might,

Michael: but I, it would also sort sort of for me answer the question too. Like if he couldn't give it back, I would have a, I feel like a better overall take on him. Yeah. And I kind of want that answer. So there's even curiosity

Amit: here too.

Yeah. Then you're validated. And then you have to just call up the, the ghost of Kei and be like, what was it like when he took LSD? Yeah. Yeah,

Michael: no shit. Tell me about the Houston trips. Diego me, Donna.

Amit: He did look like kind of a fun drunk um, I'm talking about in the eighties, right? He like, he jumps up and down and he puts his arms around you.

Yeah. And so I'm gonna, the passion is there and yeah. So I'm, I'm gonna say, I, I would love to have cocktails with him in 1986. I think that's fair. Even though there. The background of cocaine and everything. But yeah, if I could have cocktails with him in 1996, that's what I'm

Michael: gonna do. I think that's a great answer when he's on the high.

I bet he was a

Amit: fucking blast to party with, and I think he makes you feel fantastic. Absolutely. Like you saw the way he pumped up his teammates and stuff in the locker room afterwards. He's like, you're the star of this national

Michael: championship team. If you go out partying with Mari Donna before, you know, the demons have arrived.

Fuck. Yeah, yeah. That'd be a good night. Tom petty. I actually was all with you on the cannabis. And that was basically where I wanted to go. I'd love to just smoke a joint and play music with him, but I ended up going coffee and here's why. I love this story. So his biographer Warren zines, the biography is maybe the best dead celebrity biography.

I've read to this point in famous and gravy history. Oh wow. It is exceptional. Bear with me while I set this up a little bit. I'm just gonna read this. Tom told Zane, this story about he and his wife, Dana second wife were on a road trip north of Malibu. They stopped at some diner. The coffee was excellent.

And Tom said, can I see how you make this? The manager possibly surprised that a rock and roll legend wanted information about the Diner's coffee gave him the secret, which probably wasn't a secret at all Maxwell house. When petty heard the words, Maxwell house, he didn't turn back. He wasn't going to deny the truth of his experience in his view, it was a great cup of coffee.

He didn't bow any hipster sensibility that went against his own tastes his response. Can I see how you make it? The manager took petty into the kitchen where a bun, automatic coffee maker was doing its thing. So not long after the diner visit. That's what petty installed at his home. Two of them. In fact, he didn't wanna find himself waiting for a cup of coffee.

That's fantastic. It, the article goes on it's even better. It, he really makes this sort of Maxwell house metaphor for what Tom petty is and what he's all about that for all the evolutions of culture. And I, I don't know, trends and such like Tom petty is a Maxwell house guy. I love that petty was proud of his coffee, proud of fucking Maxwell house.

you know, I don't need like the fanciest espresso. I want something standard that I can keep drinking all morning

Amit: long. Something that you could just call a cup of coffee. Exactly. Why

Michael: make

things

Amit: complicated? My favorite beer is Miller light. That's what I keep at home. That's very often what I will drink when I go out.

Occasionally I will stray and complicate things or I will start off and complicate things and stray back to it. Yeah. But my default setting is uncomplicated.

Michael: Peter fond.

Amit: I, I went simple. I, I went coffee, but not exactly coffee. Like just like an iced coffee or an ice lemonade and just like walking and talking.

Yeah. And I think some of that goes into the voice that we talked about this like cool coming voice. Yeah. And I just think you'd have interesting. Things to say about just his view on life. Like I did something very similar last week, a guy that I had met just a new guy and all we did was walk on the trail and just taught for an hour while we were literally sipping like ice tea.

I think that's kind of what I want on to Fonda

Michael: Nelson Mandela. That's exactly. I went coffee for basically the same reasons more. I'm I wanna be the observer. I always seem to go coffee because if I'm excited to be with somebody and I just kind of want, especially if there's intelligence and charisma, I'm, I'm so fascinated by that person that I want my brain to work faster so that I can take it all in.

I don't wanna get jacked up with. Nelson Mandela. I wanna be taking as much in from Nelson Mandela, you know, his ability to see humanity, his ability to look at somebody who's pushing him down and to look at a whole class of people, pushing him down and still see light in that. So you don't okay. Struggle with that.

Don't you look at the injustices of the world and put people in a certain category and say, I'm not sure we can all be saved. He. An ability to believe a faith in humanity that I, I, I wish I had, that's the single most desirable thing about it. And, and I don't know how to get there other than learning by example.

And I, I can't think of a much better example. I mean, we talked about Gandhi and, and, and Martin Luther king. There's something about his experience that I also relate to. The idealism is a little bit more real for me with him. So yeah, I, the, the way he sees hope, I, I want to know how you get there, you know, and, and yeah.

I feel like a cup of coffee with him. and so do maybe a joint is a better,

Amit: I don't know. No, as I think, I think I hear what you're saying and you're saying no weed because wait, the, I don't wanna be distracted. You don't want him to be distracted either, because like you said, you, you see a, you, you feel like he sees a light, he sees a certain light and you don't wanna add any cloudiness

Michael: to that.

I think that's right. Coffee is the most sober of the three drugs in this category. yeah. Shirley temple black. What do you got here?

Amit: Definitely cannabis. Wow. With the adult? Surely. Yeah. You know, with like post, uh, post

Michael: check Republic. So would this be a joint, a bong hit a pipe, you know, a vape

Amit: probably. Well, that's an interesting one.

Uh, I mean a joint seems more, more personal.

Michael: You'd like to pass a

Amit: joint. . Was Charlie temple. Yeah. Her past one to me, I think actually like she goes first. Yeah. Yeah, I do. I do. And it's and you know, you talk about the access. Yeah. And that arc, I just wanna see, I wanna know about these que all these questions I raised about childhood.

Yeah. And I wanna know how you fucking build resilience, you know, and she can tell it to me over coffee or a Shirley temple, black . But I think there would just be a certain insight and prophecy that. Perhaps can only be unlocked in that setting and that in intimacy and with that substance Alex

Michael: Teck cannabis

Amit: and I'll tell you why. So I don't think there's a lot of access problems with TBE. Cause as they say, like, as soon as the show wasn't airing, he was self-deprecating he was making jokes. He was cussing, as you said, I don't think it takes that much to get access to the other part. What I'm saying is the, what I said about the.

Insomnia that maybe it's just all this knowledge and this like pattern seeking and stuff that he just overdosed on it with some cannabis, he may be able to put it together. and I, I'm not saying that's my role with him, but with as much knowledge that is stored inside of him. I want to kind of get his like Yuval Hararis history of the world through Alex Streck mm.

Michael: Author of sapiens. Yes. Yeah.

Amit: I kind of wanna know how he sees how he got to this point and where we're going.

Michael: I mean, do you consider him an intellectual. Or is he just promoting intellectualism? Cause I think there's no question he is doing that. This is beyond trivia. I think that's

Amit: something that's debated and that's like in, you know, the SNL imperson nation.

I think he is. Yeah. I think he is. And I think you can become an intellectual, right? That's not necessarily a nature thing. Yeah. And I just think by the nature of his job in order to do it as well as he did, he became an intellectual.

Michael: Neil Armstrong. Well, I want this Wordly eyes. I went with cannabis. You did.

And what do

Amit: you expect it to access? I just

Michael: want to like, tell me about the moon. I, I just want, tell me about the moon. Yeah. Tell me what did it look like? I, I actually want the whole

Amit: journey. You're gonna make our Eagle St. Do drugs. You God,

Michael: right? Just this once I'm gonna, I'm gonna push some cannabis under Neil Armstrong.

Yeah. I wanna get high and hear him talk about Harling through space. Looking back and seeing the pale blue dot, seeing the earth rise. That's a literal thing. The earth rise you're on the moon and the earth rises the photographs, the movies. They'll never do it. Justice, no picture ever does it justice, because the moon's so much smaller.

It curves more and you can see that on the horizon. That's something that can never be captured and not even in a panoramic, you know, on an iPhone, right? Yeah. Ross

Amit: per. Cannabis with Ross pro why? I think it's the access, the access to his motivation, his perception of not America and the world, but the universe.

Yeah. From somebody that's traveled from like the economic journey that he has done and the extremely private to extremely public. Journey. I'm just, I'm just curious about how he sees the universe.

Michael: You know, what's funny about this category. You and I often want the same things. We just are choosing different drugs to get at them.

And I would've wanted to learn from

Amit: Ross Barrow. Maybe it just triggers like a really high pitch giggle for a long time. And I think that would entertain me.

Michael: I thought about this. I think the sea of smoking a joint with Ross per , that just brings a smile to my face. say, ain't you smiling case close. I hope you enjoy today's special bonus episode coffee cocktail cannabis is just one category of mini that we use to assess the quality of life of a dead celebrity.

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Famous and gravy was created by AMED Kippur and me Michael Osborne. This episode was produced by Jacob Weiss, original theme music by Kevin STR. Al Kippur will be on with us next week. In the meantime, I hope he's enjoying wherever he is. Thank you for listening. We'll see you. Next time.

Amit: She's coming in 1230 flight. The moon wings reflected stars that guide the

Michael: ation.

Amit: I stopped

Michael: an old man along the

Amit: way, hoping to find some

Michael: mold, forgotten

Amit: words.